Wyndham Street North redesign approved

Good afternoon, everyone. Like to call the meeting to order? And it is Tuesday, February 27, 2024. It's 04:00. And we're looking right off the top to move into a closed session of council under a few items. I'll just read them out as disclosed on the open agenda. The first one is February 2024. Public appointments to the Committee of Adjustment. That's under. Section two three nine. Two b of the municipal act relating to personal matters about identifiable individual, including municipal or local board employees. The second is bargaining mandate. Report. International alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees. That's under section 2392. B and D of the Municipal act related to personal matters about unidentifiable individual, including municipal or local board employees and labor relations or employee negotiations. The third is titled comprehensive zoning by law 2002 320790. Ontario Land Tribunal Update section 2392 ENF litigation or potential litigation,

including matters before administrative tribunals affecting the municipality or local board and advice that is subject to solicit. Solicitor client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose. Those are the only items that we're looking to discuss in closed council willing and. Before I look to have this moved and seconded, is there anybody that wants to have any disclosure of pecuniary interest or any general nature thereof. For those closed items. Hearing? None. Would someone be willing to move for us to move into. Closed. I'll go. Billings and alt seconding that for us. Is there any issue with that? No. I'm going to call the vote. Anyone against? No. Really? No, Counselor Downer, no. It's unanimous. And so we will move into a closed session of council and I'll do the summary when I come back. Thank you so much.

Hi there. It's Dan Gibson here. I can't seem to get into the closed. Meeting. Councilor Gibson. We'll get somebody. Reach out to you shortly, okay? Okay, thanks very much. Every time I click on the join closed link, it brings me to this one. Okay. We'll get somebody to give you a call right away. Okay, thanks.

Okay, everyone like to call the meeting back to order. I'm just going to do a quick summary here in regards to the committee of adjustment appointments. We're going to have a motion come forward in the open session. From closed in regards to that for the appointment of a couple of people. And then in regards to the bargaining mandate for Ayatsi employees, there was direction given and under the Ontario Land Tribunal. Title. There was also direction given on that matter as well to staff. That's it for the summary. We're going to just take a break now until our open session starts at 06:00 thank you very much.

All right. Good evening, everyone. Like to call the meeting to order? It is 06:00 it's Tuesday, February 27, 2024.

And thank you so much for joining us tonight for our council meeting. I would like to just start by asking us. To rise, but. Before we do Okanda, we have. A special guest here with us tonight. One of the things that. We allow here is for people to, if they wish, is to actually fill it a form and to look to actually perform our national anthem for us here tonight. It's a way of council, the community really supporting our arts and culture. Sort of people within the city that are artists and such. And so today. I'd like to really welcome here. GitHub. Thank you so much for coming to council chambers and for being a part of this opportunity to sing our national anthem. So with that, our clerks will put on the microphone for you and then. If we could all please rise and listen to you sing, that'd be great.

Oh, Canada. Our home. And native. Land. True. Patriot love. In. All of us. Come and. With. Glowing hearts we. See the eyes, the. True north, strong and free. Tony stoke.

Pot. Potes. No foyer. North. Northwest. Oh. Canada. We stand on? God. For. Thee. Awesome. That was fantastic. Way better than me.

Thank you. That was excellent. Now, you told me. I'll just try to remember. You go to the University of Guelph. Is that. Right. You love music. You love singing. I think you said you sing a little bit sometimes with. Your sister. Is that right? You just kind of googled. I think you were telling me where to sing national anthems. And then our application popped up and here you are. So, look, on behalf of council in the city. Thank you so much. Honestly, that was beautiful. And yeah, so happy for you to be here. And based on that voice, we're going to be hearing a lot more of you elsewhere. For sure. You're excellent, so I wish you all the best. Okay? Thank you again, really. Appreciate it. Okay with that. We'll just continue for a moment, just for a moment of silent reflection.

Great. Thank you. And for our land acknowledgment. As we gather, let us take time to reflect on our privilege to live and work here in Guelph, a city built over rich indigenous histories, where guests here and we should reflect upon. The responsibility to care for this land, the people who live here today and the generations to come. If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we should take pause and make those decisions with intention and gratitude. This place we call Guelph has served as traditional lands and a place of refuge for many peoples over time, but more specifically the Anawana rock and the Holinessoni. This land is held as the treaty. Lands and territory with the Mississaugas of the credit, First Nation and Guelph. Lies directly adjacent to the Haldeman track and as part of a long established traditional hunting grounds for the six nations of the grand river. Many first nations, Inuit and Mati people who have come from across Turtle island. Call Guelph home today. And with that, is there any disclosure of pecuniary interest or any general nature thereof? In front

of us. Hearing and seeing none. Thank you. We also have recognitions here today. Again, some wonderful people from our community that are going to be getting some city awards. Now, I'm just looking to see. If Nisha is here. Did Anisha arrive? No. So it's just you, Charlie. It's all on you, Charlie. That's great. Well, look, I just want to take a moment to recognize, on behalf of council in our city, the amazing young Guelph athlete. Now. One of them is here today. And so I want to congratul. Congratulate. I'll go with Charlie here because you're the only one we'll do Anisha another time. But Charlie Hunt competed as part of the adult formation team. The junior small group and junior solo. Added 2023 Tap Dance world Championship in Germany and was representing Canada. And not only Canada, but our city. And the team actually earned fourth place, and you won a lot of awards there, and so I just want to say on behalf of the city, congratulations, number one, and congratulations to your parents

and friends that are and grandparents that are here that are always kind of cheering you on and being a huge support network for you, but also. Thank you just on behalf of the city for representing our city so well and our country so well. As you won all of these awards, I'm happy to give you a city medal and I'll meet you up here, and we'll do that now, okay?

Great. Well, one more time, why don't we give a round of applause? For Charlie. Good job. And if you, as I mentioned to you in the family before, If you want to stay now for the rest of our council meeting, go ahead. Or you could. Tap dance your way on out of here. And thank you again for coming. If you want to just let Anisha know that we have the medal for her. We can arrange another time for me to drop it off. Or she could. Come here. Okay, perfect. Thank you again for what you did. Awesome. Okay, confirmation of minutes. For November 6, December 5, and the 12th, 2023 and January 16, 2024. And the committee. The whole meeting, held December 5, 2023, be confirmed as recorded and without being read. Who would help me with that? Councilor Clausen. Councilor Richardson, is there anything on. The minutes before I call the vote. Hearing and seeing none. I'll call the vote. Is anyone against the minutes? Nobody. That's unanimous. We have

the committee to hold consent report. We have the 2024 chief administrative officer performance objectives. We have the expansion of the governance section at the committee of the whole. Budget impacts per Ontario Regulation two 8409 and budget public sector accounting standards reconciliation. The Physician Recruitment Initiative, the financial plan for water and wastewater. And the payment in lieu of parking policy. Does anyone want any of those items pulled? Okay. Council billings. In lieu parking policy. Okay. Thank you. May I get a motion? For the consent to the remainder. Councilor Guller, Councilor Busatill will second that. For us. Anything on those items? No call to vote. Is anyone against? The remainder of consent. Nobody counts our billings. May I ask a question through to you? Just because we have staff that are here. And not wanting to maybe see it flow to the bottom of the agenda for

the staff that are here. Did you have lots of questions or amendments or anything like that you wanted to make on the parking policy. Or is it a lot, do you think? Or do you want me to leave it to the end of the agenda. No, you don't have to leave it to the end. I already asked my questions. Between cow and tonight's meeting, and I just wanted to vote against. Okay, that's totally fine. Well, then maybe I can look. To do that then now. Is there someone willing to move it? Councilor Galler. Second councilor Downer. All right. Is there anything more before I call the vote? Councilor Alt, did you want to say something. No. Okay. Council billings, did you want to say anything? The reason why is just the way the policy is set up. I think that if we're going to charge.

A developer for not providing enough parking, then that revenue specifically should only go towards future. Infrastructure or just have the no minimum parking requirements downtown and get. These future units built faster. Okay. So I did not know councilor Billings was going to pull that. And just so everyone knows, I was going to pull it if councilor Billings hadn't. So, as you might recall, some of you I indicated at committee, and I think I quote, I was kind of holding my nose in regards to this, so not an issue for me to make. A big scene about it all. But I struggle with this because I struggle with the no parking minimums issue, as I'm sure you've all heard for many months on this issue. So it's hard for me to sort of support a policy on something that I already fundamentally don't agree with and feel that no parking minimums is the way to go. In the downtown. So I know that there's support for this, which is totally fine, but. That's just kind of my reasons for not supporting it here tonight as well, for myself. So with that, I'll call the vote then.

Is anyone against? So, two against Billings Guthrie. Okay, that passes, and we can move on. Thank you. Let's go into. Now, as I said in my closed meeting summary that we were going to have a couple of appointments brought forward from the closed meeting of the February 2024 public appointments to the committee of adjustment. It says here that Nicole Siegel and Pamela Membrano be appointed to the committee of adjustment. For a term ending in November 2026, or until such time as the successor is appointed. Is there someone that's willing to move that for me? Councilor Downer will do. That. Councilor Clawson will second that for us. Thank you. Is there anything further on that? Item. Hearing? Nothing. I'll hold a vote. Anyone against those appointments? Nobody. That's great. Thank you. That's passed unanimously. We have a couple of delegations up for the first item for discussion. We have our first delegation in person. Adam Donaldson. This is in regards to the Wyndham Street north cross

section in St George's. Square intersection, and that's in person. And then we have one more Chuck Nash. The downtown Guelph Business association chair will be joining us by telephone. Adam, you know the drill. No more than five minutes. Chime at four minutes and 30 seconds. I'll turn it over to you. Thank you. Good evening. I'm here to speak. On behalf of a group of people that use St. George's Square who are not mentioned. Or represented at committee of the whole earlier this month, and that is twelve transit users we're. Still here, we're still angry, and we are still waiting for this council to deliver. On its promise and the promise of your predecessors to deliver transit that is fast, fair and frequent. Came as no surprise to me that when I was consulting the reports and materials included under Wyndham, street North Cross section and St. George's Square intersection. But there was hardly any mention of transit at all, only vague inferences that transit vehicles would be among those that would continue to have access to the. New two lane version of upper window. However, St. George's Square is more than just a spot for buses to pass through on their way to and from Guelph Central Station. Since this is something that council is unlikely to realize from their own experiences, I must note

that a number of routes stop in St. George's Square. Or they allow transit writers the rare convenience and choice in how they access the system. The number three stopped in St George's Square. The number ten stopped in St George's. Square. The number eleven stops in St. George's Square. The number twelve stopped in St. George's Square. The number 13 stops in St. George's Square. And the number 20. Stops in St. George's Square. It allows many users to transfer. Buses or access the northern end of downtown without having to backtrack from Central Station and it would be a shame if this connectivity were to be lost in the name of what I consider unhelpful virtue signaling. I also have extraordinary doubts that this plan will maintain the flow of traffic by keeping two lanes. Open while preserving on street parking. I was traveling on Guelph Transit on the weekend. And the bus. Was stopped four times between Norfolk. And central station, stuck behind a car, sitting on a parking space, waiting for one person to leave. So that they could drive in. And this was even while the parcades sit mostly empty. It was on Saturday, so

it wasn't. A gulf storm day. Downtown Guelph does not have the parking problem that many people think it does, and even if it did, they don't promote their options. Transit buses arrive in downtown Guelph. From all corners of the city at least twice an hour. But this never seemed to warrant a mention on the downtown Gulf Business Association's own website. So I'm forced to wonder, why is downtown so hostile to transit that brings people to. Their businesses. As it stands today, trying to board a bus in St. George's Square is an occasional excruciating exercise. I've sometimes witnessed people parking in the bus stop, incomplete indifference in callousness to the fact that it is properly signed and there are usually two or three people waiting for the bus. It wasn't always this way. Over a decade ago, St. George's square was the rallying point for all Guelph transit buses. But now there's only one lonely shelter to remind you that this is a place where you can get on and off a transit. Bus. Mostly it's just another open street ready to receive as much car traffic as we can shove down it. Continues to be profoundly disappointing that this city, which feigns to be sensitive to environmental concerns to a greater degree than any other

canadian municipality, keeps falling on its face by not taking care of the basics and building a transit system that people want to use. Want to use. Now it seems like we're ready to finally remove transit from St. Georgia's square. Permanently. Am I wrong? I don't know. But I think if it was important. Would have been mentioned in the report and it wasn't. I hope council had some intelligent questions for staff that might ensure that any future plans for Upper Wyndham and St George's square include transit and transit users. Thank you. Okay. Thank you so much. Any follow up questions, Councilor Downer, please. Yeah. Who are you? Mr. Merritt. Mr. Donaldson. So is the concern. That because it's single lanes, it won't get down there fast enough, or that. There won't be stops in St George's Square. Both. Thank you. Is there anything else? No. Thank you very much. Thank you. Sorry. Adam. Adam. Sorry. Did Leanne have your hand? I'm. Sorry. Councilor Koran, did you have your hand up or. No, no, it was. Going to be a staff question. Thanks. Okay, no problem. Thank

you. And while I go to you, well, first of all, could someone be willing to at least move the recommendations so that we can get that on the floor. Thank you, Councilor Alt and Galler. And then why don't I go to you, Councilor Koran, for the first question to Steph. Sure. So the delegations brought up a significant point that buses will go through this intersection. That's a given. Without a layby. It could cause some traffic issues. Is a layby already. I mean, we saw the drawings, we've got the report. Is this something that can be incorporated into recommend. Recommendation. I believe it's clause one b. We've given direction that it be an. Offset intersection similar to existing conditions with operational improvements. We've specifically stated separated undirectional bike paths. Would you also like direction to incorporate transit laybys into. The design. Or is that something that you had already anticipated? In detailed design. Sure we'll have. Staff respond to that. And just before you do, just

so everyone knows that I didn't. Skip somebody. Our next delegation was unavailable. Okay, so that's why Chuck. Wasn't on, and I went right to staff. So to staff on Councilor Cron's question. So through the matter, Councilor Kran. I'll start on behalf of transit, and then may I ask Ms. Holmes to jump? In, so I don't want to speak. In specifics about the details because I'm not as familiar with that. But to reassure you that our transit staff have been well involved in this process throughout in terms of the design. Of the square and working with the transportation and engineering staff to make sure that we are doing what we need to do to maintain transit access through the square under this current design, so. To the extent that I can give you the reassurance that our staff have worked well. Together on this design and that transit needs have been considered, I'll give you that reassurance. And I'll look to see if Ms. Holmes wants to add anything. Sure. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. And again, just to echo that, we've been working collaboratively, actually. Quite closely with transit over the last couple of years on this project. I know that. We are not proposing parking in the areas where buses currently stop, and we are maintaining those existing bus stops that we have

right now. So a lot of this detail will come out as we go through detailed design. What you're looking at today is the concept. But as we go through detailed design. We'll certainly make sure that transit concerns are address. Addressed. Thanks, Councilor Karan. You still have the floor if you need it. Yeah. I guess. Specifically. The recommendation. Specifically states separated, unidirectional bike paths. So. Given that that's such a specific ask. I wonder whether there's benefit to. Council putting an amendment, and I'm looking for direction here. Where? We ensure that. Transit, boarding and offloading. Are included in the design. Only because the bike paths are so specific in the recommendation. And transit isn't. If you're telling me you don't need specifics in the recommendation to ensure. That those are part of detailed design, and I'm going to trust you on that. And we will have the minutes from the meeting to fall back on if we

need to, but if you do want direction. Tell us now. Through you, Mr. Merit council quran we don't need specific directions, so we will take the concerns that we have heard today, and make sure that we're incorporating that in the detailed design. Councilor Downer. So I just want to be clear. The design I'm looking at. Has transit labis in it. Yes, our staff are saying that. So we have transit labeles. In option two, right? But we're not going with option two. Right, so we spent which one, actually? They all have. The diagrams I'm looking at. Maybe we could ask our head engineer, Stacy from downtown, maybe. They could come down. Just to inform us a little bit here. If I see Laybys and I see still with two lanes of traffic. Lay by and. The bike lanes, so the parking is taken out. Of these

sections. Is that the way it is? So, good evening, everyone. And through. Mayor got through to councilor downer. So what you're? Seeing is the EA conceptual design level of information. Certainly where existing bus laid by areas or stops. Things like that exist now. They're shown, for example, and shown in Conc. Concept. And as Miss Holmes has said, the detailed design process will be very integrated with our transit. Team and our transit operations folks to make sure that all of the necessary things that they require will be embedded in the site. Okay, so even though. This is a concept now, and you're going to get into detailed design, but this concept has transit labines in them. That's my understanding. There still is parking. Definitely up and down Wyndham, but with the two lanes, but. The bus. Once it goes into lay by, it's still okay. That's fine. I was simply going to say, Mr. Mayor. That's

correct. Okay. Is there any other questions at this time? Councilor Bustille, please. Work? Yeah, it's coming through. Great. Thank you. I just had a question for staff whether or not in consideration of the options and the design. Not just consultation with transit, but does it improve the transit service delivery? Is that one of the key objectives. Of the design. Changes and modifications. Thank you. Through the merit of Councilor Busatill. Certainly we look at everything through the lens of making sure that. We're possible improving transit, but at the very least making sure we're not impacting. Transit negatively. And so, again, I don't want to get too far into the details. And make commitments without those. Our transit planning staff here. But I again, can just reassure that transit staff have been integral to this planning and I am confident in saying that this plan does not

negatively impact transit and that the conversations between transit and engineering about a number of different ways to improve our transit system. Have been factored into this and all of the discussions that they have. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Galler. Thank you for your worship to staff. Looking at the report, I see the list of the different engagements that were done. But I'm hearing from the delegates today, and also we received a letter from the transit. Action lines of gulf. Could you just hear from staff in terms of the involvement from the community? And then there's an advisory committee to transit. Were they involved? And they provide input. Through the merit of Councilor Galler. So, just for clarification, the transit advisory committee. Is the council appointed committee, and we do meet with them monthly. And review a number of transit related matters. I don't want to speak specifically about if and when this was considered on their agenda. Simply because I don't have that information in front of me as to when it may have been.

The transit. Tag letter that you're referring to. We were not contacted by tag in advance and did not have discussions with them about their submission. And we are comfortable that, again, what our transit staff have been discussing with the transportation and engineering team has, well, addressed any concerns, and so we don't share their concern. Okay. Thank you. And as a follow up to that, moving forward, Where would be the next opportunity for the public to provide input as we go into the detailed design. So through the mayor, I'm simply going to comment on the transit side of things, which is that we will continue to engage our transit advisory committee that, having been staff, said our transit staff do reach out to Teg regularly, an offer to meet, they just haven't taken us off on that offer. So on the transit side, we will continue to use our transit advisory. Committee. As our lens or mechanism through which we consult on transit. But that's a very narrow transit specific response. So I'll turn to Terry and Stacy to see if they can comment. On the broader community engagement. Thank you, DCL Clack Bush and through the mayor. Certainly there's a number of community. Touch points coming up. Councilor Galler, with respect to sort of the

program overall in terms of downtown reconstruction. As early as March of this year, we'll be talking to the community. Both capital and implementation plan will be in front of council again in April. With respect to streetscaping levels. Of service and those kinds of things through the workshop. So there's a number of checkpoints. Coming in. And then as we get into the detailed designs for each given stretch of reconstruction, in downtown. We will follow our standard process for any sort of reconstruction work that we do where we have public information centers, things of that nature, where we can engage and answer community questions, okay? Thank you very much. So that I understand that that point. So far, we've only seen a cross section when you come back to us in March, April. During the spring and summer will we see the detailed layout of the whole street. And will the public have an opportunity to comment on that before it is finalized. So through the merit of Councilor Galler. March and April opportunities are more about streetscaping levels of service capital implementation how should the construction go. Those types of questions or what we'll be asking the community with respect to detailed design. Certainly we go out to the community. We don't go out at 100%. Design. So for designs like this, we may go at 60 or 90%, things like that, where we can hear

from the community, make sure we understand. The information that they might be able to offer so we can make any adjustments. Okay. Thank you. What is the timeline that we could expect? To see that 60% design so we could actually see what the street might look like, so. Through the mayor, councilor Galler. We are in the consultant procurement process right now. So the consultant award, I'm hoping will be within the next few weeks, and then it really depends on their schedule and what they provide to us, but it's possible that that could be later this year, or if not in 2025. Thank you. Thank you, worship. Thank you. And then finally is councilor downer, and then O'Rourke. Yeah. So just maybe a. Question or suggestion. So I sort of am seeing when we do their options, it talks about the key features, pros and cons. And talks about. Overall, it talks about pedestrians, the pros and cons for cyclists, pros and cons for roadway and public realm. So maybe what I'm hearing without transit being mentioned. It's not mentioned. So. When we come back in the future on the designs for the downtown and this, could we sort of have transit included as sort of

in those types of charts that talk about pros and cons. Just as for the reproach, so that we have that information as well. So through the mayor. If I understand the question, councilor Downer, really, what we're doing through the environmental assessment process is where you look at sort of the feasibility study angle. So what are the options? What are the pros and cons? But once we move forward with an option and get into detailed design. We don't really come forward with the same type. Of analysis. So what I can simply say is. The options. In front of council this evening. They're compliant with the quality transit network identified in a transportation master plan. Our transit staff are well synced in, as you've heard, and we're going to continue to work with them, which is our standard practice in all of our designs. Okay. So. Anytime this is reported back, though, is what I'm suggesting, is that transit is referenced as well. I understand that we've picking an option now and that's what we have in this environmental assessment, but when we come back with any kind of information on this, Would that be sort of updated that way? Through the mayor. I can certainly take the feedback back. I'm just trying to think of when the appropriate point. In process there would be. And realistically,

things like capital implementation plan is around construction, sequencing it's not around detailed design elements. So there's not necessarily with common with all of our construction projects. A council check in with respect to detailed design. Those things are usually through multi year, budget approved design, construct and we proceed. Even on our streetscaping. Will it not include the transit elements in St. George's? Square. So certainly from a streetscaping perspective, we will go through that at the April workshop. And report back in June with respect to sort of what staff's recommendation as with respect to street scam levels so that we can then go build the budget. Confirmation. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but I'm just. With respect to detailed design, there's. Not really a return point to cancel. Yeah, okay. But sort of when that comes back, even for that, that will incorporate the. Designs. Go to councilor o'rourke and then cao. For wrap up comments. What do you counsel ahead. Thank you, Mayor Guster. So I ask questions about transit at committee the whole earlier this month about. Sort of to Mr. Donaldson's point. Will

a bus be caught behind a vehicle that's? Waiting to park or a delivery truck. So I'm wondering, are there ways to mitigate? That potential. Because if I understand Qjump lanes properly, there wouldn't be a whole lot of potential for a technology like that, so I'm just wondering. What are some mitigating factors that might help ensure that the transit continues to run on time, given the new design.

Why don't I jump in a little bit here, because I think I can actually be. Helpful. Too. The last series of questions. You've got a massive, massive, massive downtown project on our hands? We happen to be. We've got a delegate tonight that's actually about transit. And that's important, but so is it all. So you've just mentioned delivery, so. We've paid a lot of attention to. What does that mean for folks in the downtown? That need. Those deliveries. And how can we accommodate that? But we also want people to park. But there's. Parking garages that aren't always full. So, as always, the professional staff will take all of those into consideration, and I think the great opportunity. My gosh. I started here in 2015, and this EA was underway. So there has been a ton of opportunities for people to come out and comment on the actual environmental assessment and the design. Work, but there will be a ton of opportunities as we update all the things that will happen. In the downtown. Especially as the downtown council. We know. But all of you would know. That's when we'll actually then start to put things in front of the community with more detailed design, but expectation wise. It shouldn't be that offline of what you would have approved. At committee the whole in this evening. So

if it's one lane, and then we're. Showing up with five. Something drastic has gone on, and we will accommodate transit. Can we accommodate all the things that might happen on any given day on Wyndham? No, but we may be able to accommodate. Look, Wednesdays is the best day, and there's. A lane for that. So that's the ongoing work that will take place to the broader issue of this transformational. Intergenerational project, and there'll be lots of updates there. And I think that's councilor downer. That might be where a lot of the information will be. Shared. There'll be open houses because you're going to have residents that will be concerned. Will there be construction in the evenings? I think that's equally as important to the discussion tonight, but we haven't got all those details worked out or from a merchant's perspective, the street will be closed. How? Will people get to me? And how will my business survive? So we've got lots of work to do. The decisions got to get made, and then you get to a lot of that detail. There is no way that transits the bottom of this list. But there's no way that deliveries are at the top either. So we've got that balancing act and we've got to make sure that the engagement process that you've got us the protocol. We have. We? Will include that. And I think there'll be lots of time for you to come out. To those

open houses. As well in those sessions to work through all of this as we get closer to detail. So I hope you see it as tonight that staff are in certain with a vehicle. We got it. And it's going to be incorporated. And the EA happened to pick up on the subject line that's in there. Bi directional. Bike lanes. That was important just because of. Is this an act of. I won't even try not to say a traffic circle. And that was a debate for a long time, too. So that's just general direction. I think we're all over this and there'll. Be lots of opportunity for both the residential folks and our business folks in this community to continue to stay well informed of what we're up to. And we won't, deviate. That far away from this plan. I can't say that loud enough. We have got to get to action and stop talking these e. Ea's take way too long. Hopefully that's helpful in terms of those information. Things will come along for the public. To continue to be fully engaged. Thank you, dco. Stewart through. You may go three to Steph. And I'm just wondering, so we're. Talking about transit because it has come up in the context of this EA. But we

don't have a transit commission where councilors. So we get to talk about transit. When master plan comes or root review comes. But will there be an opportunity to look at transit? Holistically because there are some changes planned for Guelph Central Station. There will be transit impact. So I'm just wondering, what's the mechanism for that? To come back. Is it an information report? Does it come back at a certain point and really I understand that it's a separate issue from Wyndham, but we're looking at Wyndham Street. And not connecting it over to Cardin. Right. So I'm just trying to understand what's. The right forum. For us to have that information. Through Mr. Merrick. Let me answer that a couple of ways. A I think every time that you see Ms. Lawrence at the table, you'll understand that the entire downtown is being reviewed. And she's not letting any of us not look at the downtown in an isolated sliver. The other part of this is we are having current discussions with people, folks, agencies like metrolinks. What's your focus? In the station and is there a reason that we would have a station and you have a station. And why is yours not open? And doesn't your client tell our clientele want? To actually have someplace to shelter, and there's lots of back and forth behind

the scenes. On that. Not ready for primetime yet. Although I just said that out loud. So I think there's lots of places that we will likely come back to you to just say so. Here's that subset, the master plan on transit that it's not. Subservient too, but sits in. The downtown projects so that we can't let. With all due respect, we can't. Limit the gaming off and doing all kinds of crazy things on infrastructure and not contemplate what that means above ground. And I know he doesn't not contemplate that. I think we will have something separate for that because there might be a change in maybe how we do some servicing and the downtown. And then there's other things that pop that make a change. 5000 students from Conestoka make a change. And what does that change look like? And does this change accommodate it so that we can move? People in and out of the downtown on transit, so. There likely will be as we get closer to some details on some of these other big capital expenditures. An opportunity to put that in front of you, to say so. This is an opportunity for some change. That sits within the big broad based plan. But to transit Pacific and I went to the central station component of it. But that's our central station

too. And is there an opportunity for something there that's. Maybe more exciting than what takes place today, so hopefully that answers it as well. We've got to bring this stuff to you so that you can AC action and NBC. How we're implementing it, and if we have to make some changes, we should adjust. Whether it's segregated bike lines everywhere. My comment to staff is let's move some things through, but half a loaf is better. Than no wolf. Like, we have got to stop thinking and planning and never doing, and this is the doing part now. So we will bring the other changes back to you, Councilor Herok. So that you, as the board of governors, are well in tune with everything. Thank you. Okay, so before I call the vote, I got to yes or no question to wrap up all the questions that we've had. You've heard us. We're looking for some kind of a touch point. That specifically addresses any transit concerns that might pop up as we move forward in detail design. And other. Reports. Opportunities, workshops, open houses. We're going to hear about it. Through, Mr. Yair. Yes, thank you. That's all we need to hear. Thank you. Okay, I will look to call the vote then. Is anyone against? Nobody.

That's unanimous. Thank you very much, and thank you to staff. Okay, we're going on to the next one. The 2023 annual report of the integrity commissioner. We have a presentation from John Mascarin online, I imagine. Yes. Okay. Hello, John, it's Merrick Guthrie. Thank you for joining us. And good to see you and. I will turn your presentation over to you. Thank you very much. Good evening, Mayor Guthrie, members of council. It's my pleasure to be back. This is my third time delivering our annual report as integrity commissioner for the municipality, and I believe in the last couple of years, I've used the education moniker and I've said, well, this is kind of your report card. How about we switch it up? This year, and I will go to the health services and we'll talk about your bill. Of health, so I'll get to that in just a moment. So, mayor and members of council, the purpose of an integrity commissioner's annual report. Is essentially to

provide counsel as well as the broader public with an opportunity to understand the ethical well being of the city's elected and appointed officials through the lens of our activities as the integrity commissioner for the municipality. So, as I indicated, This is the third annual report that we have prepared since our initial appointment which took place. Back in 2020. 2020. We were appointed and we commenced our services on January 1. 2021. Our report is set out in the same format that you've seen last year. I thought it was important to again emphasize what the functions of the integrity commissioner are. They are set out in section. Subsection two to 3.3, sub one of the municipal act, as I've indicated. To you before and to your residents. Our mandate is a statutory one. Every municipality must have an integrity. Commissioner, you have appointed Aaron Burlus, my firm,

as the integrity, commissioner, and we're very privileged to do this work on behalf of the city. You'll see that. Our functions are set out there. They are, in a sense, threefold. One is we provide education to members of staff, to the municipality broadly, we provide education. To members of council, members of local boards and to the public. And this is one opportunity that we have. We had an earlier opportunity and I'll speak to it a little bit later. When we provided an education and training session for members of council and members of your local boards. And the public was invited. You had it. In an open public session, which is a really good thing, which makes us able to fulfill one. Of our requirements, which is to provide education to the public. We also look at complaints where we can examine. Allegations of wrongdoing by giving a fair. Opportunity to the member who's accused of perhaps having misstepped or done something wrong. To have their say and to then report to counsel on our findings.

And thirdly, and one of the most important things, and I emphasize this probably every year, is. Members of council members of local boards can reach out to the integrity commissioner for advice, and it's not general advice. It's specific advice that's catered specifically. To the members unique circumstances, factual circumstances. Paired with something that may be happening at the municipality. Typically something that may be coming up at council, for instance, a question on conflict of interest. A question on undue influence. Perhaps it's outside of something that happens at the council. Meeting at the council table. It may be a gift or benefit. It may be improper conduct. It may be a leak of confidential information. These are all things that are governed by your code, by the municipal conflict of interest act, and all things that we can give you. You as members of council and members of your local boards specifically. Catered advice. So you do,

hopefully the right thing. That is a new, unique, new power that was given to integrity. Commissioners. And was given to members of council to request of their integrity. Commissioners backing the bill 68 amendments in 2019. So those are our three main functions. And as you can see, it encompasses the code of conduct. Any ethical policies, guidelines, rules or procedures that the municipality may put into place. For example. The council staff. Relationship policy. A mandatory policy that the council has to have in place. For the municipality. So going to the report, as I indicated, it sets out our activities and our functions and how we discharge them over the past year. So this is the last calendar year. On page two of our report. We start off with the complaint investigations, and last year. Our office received three complaints. That's down from the year before. We reported on only one of the complaints, and that was a complaint against not a member of council, but a

member of a local board. And my partner, Lord Dean, had come before you with. Her report. Back in early January, where she indicated that there was no contravention of the code of conduct by the local board member. They did not act disrespectfully or without proper decorum and professionalism. And, in fact, Laura concluded her report by indicating that respectful disagreement and debate. Are actually essential to the public debating process at council. So there's nothing wrong members for you or members of your local boards to disagree with one another. You can have disagreements and reasonable people. Will reasonably disagree with one another. Reasonable people will also act with professionalism, with civility, and with courtesy, something that I find is lacking in many, many municipal councils, and I must have to say? Yours is not one of them. There were two other complaints filed towards the end of the year. And you'll see that at the top of page three of our report. That was coupled with one that was filed early this year against the member with

certain allegations that we are currently looking at and reviewing. So I cannot report on the findings of those. Three complaints. I can only indicate that they are all very similar. I'll relate to. Significantly the same matter. Well, I won't say anything more because we haven't gone further, but I'll. Report on those next year. So now, turning to the advice giving function, I must say. I am very heartened by what I've received from members of council. At the city of Guelph and by your local board members. I have received, and this is not telling tales, and I'm not trying to wax anybody's. Surfboard. But I want to be honest about this. I have probably received. The best types of questions. And requests for advice. The questions always seem to be about. Your own personal. Obligations. In many municipalities, I have members of council who are always asking about other peoples. Obligations that we cannot advise upon.

We can only advise a member of council, a member of a. Local board. With respect to your own obligations and. In all respects. You have always done that. So this past year, we received eight requests from, I believe, six members. Of council. So we had a couple of people who asked questions more than once. And you'll? See that we have provided summaries redacted. Not redacted, but anonymized summar. Summaries of the advice that we've provided. A number of the questions are related to the municipal conflict of interest act and essentially asked here is the thing that's coming before council a matter that's coming before council an issue a question. Do I have a pecuniary interest? Do I have a disqualifying pecuniary? Interest that I must disclose and then recuse myself from participating in the discussion. And in here I've provided, I believe. Five anonymized. Summaries of advice that we provided to members. We also provided some

additional advice with respect to pecuniary interest under the Municipal Conflict of Interest act, and I just want to point this out to council. I was asked, and this is common. Do I have a pecuniary interest? Because I received a notice under the Planning act. Whether it's 60 meters, 120 meters of the development application. And the answer always is. That the receipt of a notice. To a person within the catchment area. Typically. Will be prima facie. Prima facia indication that. There may be an impact on that property. The planning act has deemed it appropriate to provide that. Notice shall be given to certain persons within a certain geographical area. That doesn't necessarily equate to a pecuniary interest, but it often does, so we have to look at it through that. Lens and we again see. The receipt of a planning act notice whether again it's 60

or 120 meters as prima facing indication that there is some impact on the property, and it typically relates to a financial impact. We also advise someone on matters of election. And so on. We then also gave other advice. Sorry. That's apart from the Municipal Conflict of Interest act. We also gave advice with respect to rules, policies, preclusions for running for election, for other office, and finally. We also advised on an interesting question. On the principle of members of council having to support decisions of counsel. My view has always been and I'll say it as bluntly as I can for council tonight. I appreciate that. Not every decision of a council is unanimous. There are matters of disagreement. And unlike politicians, federal or provincial level. That have parties, you do not have parties at the local level, and therefore there are disagreements and. There is no general principle that a member of council has to stand

up and raw and always support a decision that council has made. And essentially fall on their sword and say it was the best decision ever made after they have exercised their role as a representative of their residents to debate and perhaps argue against the very bylaw enacted. So. Your code of conduct does not actually have this enshrine, but the principle is seen and I would read it like this. You do not have to support. By rating cheerleading. Every decision that council makes, however. What you are not to do is you cannot disrespect. The decision by belittling it or ridiculing it, denigrating it in any way or the people who made it. So I think I put a different spin on the question of supporting and being in solidarity behind the bylaw. No. Every municipal council shall respect the process and the fact that. An elected body of local representatives made the decision, which then. You

have to live by. Okay, so that's it for the advice giving function this year. There were also revisions to the code. They were made as part of a staff report on September the 6th that came before committee of the whole we were asked to look at. The code of conduct and make any recommendations. For any revisions based on the strong mayor authority that had come into play. Now, we were keenly aware and acutely aware that Mayor Guthrie had delegated back his authority as a strong mayor that was given to him under the strong mayor's building homes act. He had delegated back certain authorities to council, so we were acutely aware of that. However. There were provisions in the code of conduct that spoke to. Council members only being. A single person and having no unilateral executive or ministerial authority. Okay, that's the rule. Council member can really only have power if they act in concert with other members of council that form a majority and

they pass bylaws, resolutions at council meetings or give direct. Directions to staff to do certain things. That's the exercise of power. With the strong mayor authority, however. The mayor. Has been elevated and has certain specific. Unilateral executive powers. And so we did need to amend the code of conduct in certain respects. To recognize that. And. We put those in place and those were enacted by council. They were supported by committee of the whole. And then they were enacted by council. So there have been some modifications made to your code. Of conduct, but really they only relate to the strong mayor powers. We also became aware towards the end of the year of an interesting deficiency. In your otherwise really well put together complaint forum, Guelph has a really remarkable. Online. Complaint form that anyone can fill out, and it's automatically sent to us. But we found out that it was only optional for the person

to provide contact information which did not make it. Very good for us if we needed to clarify or ask further questions of the person who was filing the complaint and the person didn't exercise their. Authority to provide contact information. Interestingly enough, We've been your integrity commissioner for three years, and we never noticed that deficiency. The reason being is complainants who had filed complaints before had always inserted their contact information. So we never had to question it before that change was made. It was an administrative change that did not require counsel to be involved. But I wanted to note that finally, I do want to indicate. And. I am very proud of having been asked by your staff and by counsel to come and provide an education and training session, and I did so on February the 15th. I came in person like. Tonight or I'm virtual. To the council chambers, and I provided. What I could refer to as a pretty robust. Training session, and I spoke about the code of conduct, the role of

the integrity commissioner. And how council members, local board members are to comply with and. Be very cognizant of the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act. I received many questions that evening and kudos to council, who invited members of local boards to attend. At the session, and I thought. That was. A pretty well received session, and I thank council again for the opportunity to do that. So I've come to the end. Mr. Mayor, I don't want to belabor the point. But as your doctor, as you're an ethical doctor, I would say that you have a clean bill of health. I have not discerned. Any issues. Of a systemic or of a personal, individual nature. That I have to be concerned about as integrity commissioner, you have a clean bill of health for 2023. And again, let me just say it, I'm privileged. To appear tonight in front of you as a representative of Aaron Burlas, which is your appointed integrity commissioner, and I look forward to working with you, Mr. Mayor, as well as members of council

and your local boards and staff. For 2024. I'd be pleased to answer any questions that you or any member of council may have. Thank you. Great. Thanks, John. We appreciate you joining us again tonight. And. Appreciate your advice and candor, so thank you very much for doing that. Let me see if there's any follow up for John. No. Did you have a follow up council, caller? Yes, your worship. I wanted to move receipt of the report just before. I just want to make sure that we're good. It looks like we're good, John. Thank you. Very fulsome. Report, and we thank you again and. We'll look to move the recommendation to accept your report. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Members of council. Thanks. Have a great night. Good night. Thank you, Councilor Guller. Yes, and seconded by. Council Richardson to receive. Thank you. Anything further? No. Okay, I'll call the vote. Is anyone against that presentation and report? No, that's unanimous. Thank you so much. We're on to, I believe, our last agenda item, everybody.

It's the joint social. Services and land ambulance committee update report. Our esteemed chief administrative officer, Scott Stewart, is going to do a little presentation. And then kick it back on over to us if we have any questions. And so, Scott, thank you so much. I'll turn it over to you. Terrific. And good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of council, I'm pleased to briefly give you an update on your direction from October 17, and you'll see that on the next slide that comes up just as a reminder. That's where you directed the mayor and I to work with Theo Wilson and Warden Lennox. And we've done just that. And report back to you by no later than Q one. 2024. So I think we've come in. Under the gun there with that one. And we've reviewed. Their direction. And I will say this. The CEO in the warden were very receptive and willing. To accommodate your request. And in fact, we're dealing with it this week at county council. If I've got it right myself. It'll be on the 29th this week, so. That it lands sort of at the same time, with both councils getting an update. Quasi at the same time, but not quite at

the same time. So again, if you approve the recommendation before you, we will have created a new committee, creatively. Titled Joint Social Services Land Ambulance Committee and which will have four members of county council and I think. Very exciting for us. Four members of city council. We had to come up with a way to appoint members of counci. Council, of course. And so you will have read that we are recommending that the chairs of public services, ide and governance. And because the mayor is already on the existing committee, we've defaulted to admin, the vice chair of governance. This is yours to accept or change. But we had to come up with some logic and apply it. We didn't feel like we should be in the business of picking folks, so we've tried to address it in a way that feels like. There'll be some interaction for those committee members, and again, you could disagree with that, but. I will leave that amongst yourselves. If that's where you want to be. We're not married to it. We've just picked the process for that so that to move you. Through it. But. Just a quick little reminder. You do review the chair of positions on a regular basis, so if that is an issue, it might be accommodated in another way that will come along as you

review. The chair positions, for your information. One of the struggles we had. Not struggles, but one of the concerns we had is just the staff that will be involved. So you'll see that it will be dCo Clark Bush. Myself, chief Duh, and general manager Vilco will be the main staff you will see involved. And, of course, with some behind the scenes coordination, and happens through GM o'Brien with his counterpart at the county. So again, The structure at the county is different than the structure here. Chief doer. Participates differently at the county that he does here, but we've also got a balance with you don't get participation by all the general managers here at our county, at our committee. As a whole. But what you do have is you've got the executive team. And so that's an important piece here that especially DCO Clark Bush is recognized that will be our senior staffer. I'll play a role with the CEO. Wilson, of course. And then we just want to make sure that GM Velco is involved because it's not just about the paramedic service, it's about the facilities. And of course, it'll be about fleet. So those are also activities that get lost along. The way and we've been on pause way too long. You'll recall the joint session we had in here with all of

county council. We've paused way too long on the future of the facilities to service the greater Wellington community and, of course, including wealth. Finally, budgets. And decisions, of course. Will be discussed at this new committee, but all final decisions will be made by the home council. Who has the actual authority. So EMS will be here, social services will be at the county, but this is a long way. So if you can sort of see it similar to committee, the whole discussions, and it goes to city council, and it is a bit of a blast to the past. This has happened before, so some council members, both here and at the county will remember that there was four and four. And I think this is a great step back to get to this place. Greater involvement. You spend so much time on this file, and I spent so much time saying, oh, but it's not our lane. So I think this is that compromise right in the middle. So let's find a way to express some of the things that are happening within Guelph so that that message can be carried. Collectively from here to county council, and then, of course, backwards to council here as well, so. The non four of you are also getting informed. Well, what was the four up to? So that we've got to find some ways to deliver some of that back and forth. And it perhaps might not be

perfect on day one. So let's not let perfection get in the way of proceeding with this? That would be my advice, staffing wise. We're all on board for this to work, but we're not quite sure how it will completely. Work. And it will be set up in the county of Wellington's chambers. So because they'll. Be the chairs. The niche chair and vice chair initially will follow their rules. And if and when we get to that, we would be the chair and vice chair. We would follow the rules here. So that's why there'll be lots of coordination behind the scene with Mr. O'Brien and Steve, and I forget Jen's last name, so I'll just jen over at the county. And so again, perhaps not perfection. Perhaps it'll be slightly different, but I think this is exactly what you asked. For in the initial recommendation. So with that, Mr. Mayor, I'll place it back in your hands. Thanks for the presentation, Scott. Appreciate it. And all the staff that have been working on this to bring this forward. Let me just, first of all, see if I could just get a member of council to lay the recommendations in front of us. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Galler and Clawson. Thank you. Now, is there any questions before I go? To the is there any questions at all

before I look to any votes? So, Guller, go ahead. And then karat. After you. Thank you. Through three. You, mayor, got three. Well, first of all, thank you for all the work that you have been doing in partnership with the county to get us here. I just wanted a bit of clarity on that last thing that you said. If I understand when it is the county that is the chair. It will be held at the county, and then when it is a city council that is sharing. The meetings will be held here at Gulf council chambers. Is that right? So, three, Mr. Mayor. That's the initial discussion with both Warden Lannix and CEO Wilson. We weren't. Sure if this will be a forever thing that the county hosts. So don't forget also the social. Services part. We've been very interested in the housing component. It is so much more than that as well, so it may stay there. So really, my message will be. If they're the host, it's their rules. If we're the host, it would be our rules. So the four members may have to adjust to. Oh, that's. Not how we do it. That's how we're going to do it when it's there and then vice versa as well. So that might

be something that. The committee talks about over time, but initially. This year, the county is the host, so it will be the county's procedural bylaw. And please don't ask me anything about their procedural bylaw, because I have no clue. Thank you. Thank you for that. That makes sense. My other question was around the decision to appoint. The committee of the whole chairs rather than. What we do for police or public health or library. Were we just the point? So if you can. It seems to me like it's a bit of a departure from how we usually appoint people to committees or boards. So if I could understand a bit of the rationale, why we're not using the same approach that we do for, say, the police board or those so. They're external boards. So three. Mr. Mayor. There's no more logic then. We wanted to do better than sort. Of putting our thumb up in air and gas net and we weren't sure people's. Interests in really picking the chairs the way we have. We didn't ask any of those chairs. Are you interested? We just made an assumption, so. If you can imagine the chair of public services, there's the interaction. And both what ide as well. There's the connection to the Elliot. With

the long term care, and that's an important piece that comes in. There's been a component of this might then implicate some things in the Bilo area, so. If you think of public services. And the last time we met and spent 12 hours. What shop? That might be in. Ide. We went to also. That's the pickup of facilities and energy. That's the other. Group that comes into play. And then we went to governance because this felt like a bit of a governance issue. And then the mayor was there already, so we went to, well, then the vice chair. But as I said in the presentation, If you want to change that, by all means, do that. This wasn't a must have. This was just from a staff perspective of Putin. Something in front of you to you, for you. To react to. I didn't know how to do it. Why did you pick councilor Galler? Well, he loves bow ties. So do I. So we needed something. And that's all it is, Councilor Goller. So if there's another way to do it. Council, we are putty in your hands. This is just to give you an opportunity to say yes if it feels like. Let's just get on with it. And we can come back to that another time or deal with it this evening. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much. I think that makes sense, and I think that's sort of what we do for the management committee. For the elliot. Right. It's the

chairs. That if I could ask through you, Mayor Guthrie, to our clerk. Once this decision is approved tonight, what would it look like for counsel to reconsider? The composition at a later date. Through Mr. Merritt to councilor Gauller. My response is there's probably a couple of opportunities for things to come back. I think, naturally, there'll be an evaluation, I would imagine. Through the Cao's along with the mayor and the warden. After this has been sort of in place for some time to make sure that it's still serving the purpose and the wish and the intent of both councils. But it could be a reconsideration if there was a time that was warranted. To do that earlier, so there'll probably be some natural junctures at which you can make that consideration. Or you could do it yourself and enact that change through a formal reconsideration if that's what you chose. Okay. Thank you for that. I'm very happy and look forward to supporting this vote. Thank you, worship. Thanks, councilor. Color Koran, please. Great. Thank you. And this is more of a question of clarity. And I think I know the answer. If it's out of order and it's not related to the recommendations, please let me know, because the recommendations here tonight are all about

the governance and going back to the joint social services land ambulance committee, but. Our fire often. Report. Respond. To medical. Calls. There's no jurisdiction with this committee on the response of a non lend ambulance department. When fire responds to EMS calls. This committee won't have anything to do with that jurisdictional. City versus. County Department. Three. Mr. Mayor, this committee. Yes, it does. They won't have ambulances in the title. It should reflect the MS, but it says ambulance. That's quite clear. And fire won't be drawn into any of this discussion at all. And one of the things that you'll see from a staff support perspective is DCO. Clack Bush, which fire reports up, as in Collian's portfolio. But there shouldn't. Be any discussion there at that committee over this. And. You are serving

the county. For ems. That's the discussion to have sometimes. There might be an overlap at some incident somewhere, but they shouldn't be having any conversations. About Gua fire. No more than you should be having at that committee. Conversations about a volunteer. Fire department. In Rockwood or Drayton if I've got them wrong. So I think it's quite clear, Councilor Quran, and you're bang on. Thank you. Thank you. And a question from councilor Alt, please. I hope you can hear me okay. It's a question. Clerks as I'm listening. And I appreciate Mr. Stewart. 's summary of what the intent is, it struck me that there is the potential in the future. For us to consider revising, modifying and perhaps. Doing away with some of our current standing committees and the way we structure our business at city specific committees, and that even includes the big ones where the chairs are coming from. I was wondering. If clerks. Could perhaps respond to that and perhaps say whether they considered that need. It strikes me there's. Going to be

some overlap that is going to require the chairs to be doing double. Business. Through you. Mayor Guthrie to councilor alt. I think I've got the question that you posed correctly. You're asking if there's any specific changes that may be coming to our own governance structures as a result of this adoption. Is that correct? Okay. We had considered reviewing the committee hold terms of reference in and around public services. But realistically. This terms of reference that's before you, that's being asked for endorsement of counsel. Effectively addresses some of those things and the committee of the whole terms of reference. The details in the public services section is relatively light in terms of those details. So we didn't feel. There was a drastic need to update that committee. The whole terms of reference. That may be the case if we were, for example, required to host. Because then our procedural rules would come into effect if we were hosting. But to CEO Stewart's. Comments, it's been agreed upon with the county that they would be hosting unless of course, this committee or discussions with the county in sue that would see that change. So at this point,

no governance change is needed on the part of city around the documentation that you maintain. Terms of reference, et cetera, is required to enact. This committee. I hope that answers the question. I want to make sure that I've done that. Yes. Thank you. I do expect we might have to at some point in the future, but that's for the future. The other comment that I think is very important is to appreciate that the most important element of this. Is still controlled by the city when it comes to ambulance services and. Social services and housing, and that's going to be something that will require the chairs to really put their best hack on when they think about how to address the challenges of these various areas. Yeah, and through you, Mr. Mayor, if I can just confirm that for council. Actually, as you'll see in the report, the county is still the CMSM policy matters. Related to. Things like housing, childcare. Ontario Works. Will all go through county council in the same way here at state council that as the delivery. Agent for land ambulance services, those services and policy matters, operational reporting, budget decisions, et cetera. Those final decisions would come and flow through city

council. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Are there any other questions before I continue? Okay.

How about. We just do this one at a time? That might be easiest. Okay, so I'm going to call the vote on number one, which is that we're. Endorsing the joint Services and Land Ambulance committee. Terms of reference, including any attachment dated for February 27, 2024. We'll just do that one first, then we'll go. On to the second one and third. So is there anyone against that? Nobody unanimous. Perfect. Okay, the second one is that the mayor, the service area chairs of public service. And infrastructure development, environment and the service area. Vice chair of governance be appointed to the Joint Social Services and Land Ambulance Committee as described in the report. Date of February 27, 2024. Let me just ask if there's a point of contention with that or disagreement. Does anyone disagree with that, and then I'll have to stop. No. Okay, so I'm going to call to vote on that. Is there anyone against that? No. That's unanimous. And then number three is we got to look to appoint someone. To the Joint Services and Land Ambulance Committee. Chair. Vice chair. Now, I want to be clear on something here. Just so that

we're clear, and I want to make sure that Scott, Stewart and you guys and clerks are making sure that I'm saying this right. We're not here today, right now, to appoint a chair and to then appoint a vice. Chair. We're here to appoint. A chair. Let's say a representative. That's probably the better word to use of this council. And then the county will appoint one of their representatives. And then. At the first joint committee meeting. That committee will then determine who the chair and vice chair is. So the way it was sort of written in the report was kind of like, we're going to appoint a chair and a vice chair today, but for clarity reasons. We're appointing somebody. To be that representative, and then that somebody will be determined by the joint committee whether that person is chair or vice chair when we get there, clerks. Am I saying that right? Yes, Mr. Mayor. And through the rest of council. You're correct. Chairs, vice chairs one by each council, appointed respectively. The county chair would assume the chair responsibilities from April 1 to November 30. Yeah. And then there would be the opportunity to

rotate and switch that's. Right. And. Yes, as you said, so one from each member. Sorry. Yeah, that's right. Okay. So I think just. As if you don't mind me just jumping in here as the mayor. As I would like to just give my opinion. To my colleagues. First of all, up to council here for sure. But I would feel very comfortable with Councilor Busatill. Being the representative. If I could say that. At this new committee. I would just say that. She has been at, I think every single one, basically. Since this term has started. And she's got a really keen interest in this. She's created relationships, too, which I think are important. I mean, this whole thing is really. To me about relationships. So. I can't do it because I'm the chair, but I would. Look, maybe I. Know, Aaron. Sorry. Councilor Katen mentioned. That she might want to do a nomination here. I will definitely follow suit to open it up the floor. If

there's others that are interested. But I just wanted to just give you my opinion on that. And I'm happy to support. Whatever council decides. But councilor Katen, did you. Have a. Would you like to nominate somebody? Yeah. I was going to nominate councilor Bustel for chair. Thank you. Is there a second councilor Galler would be willing to second? So let me just do sort of the formal process here. First of all, councilor Busatill. Would you allow your name to stand? Mayor. You're welcome. I read everything you wrote out for me. So everything's burned. I just kidding. Little levity there, all right? And then is there anybody else that wants to consider putting their name forward for the representative from this council. No. All right, that's perfect. That works out really well. So with that, if everyone's okay, I will call the vote then as councilor Busintil. Being the chair. Vice chair, depending on how it goes and it's up on the screen. Here for everybody. That councilor busted till be appointed as the joint social services and the an. Ambulance committee chair vice chair for

a term ending November 30, 2024, or until such time as her successor is appointed, so I'll look to call the vote. Is anyone. Against Linda? No. Is anyone against councilor Biz till? Nobody. Perfect. Okay, so that works out really well. And. I know this is a little bit off the cuff here, council. I'll be really quick. I promise. Because we're done. But I didn't get a chance to say something, so I. Just want to say a couple of things. One, I just want to really want to thank Scott. And staff Colleen, especially because. In your department. Thank you for your work in coordinating with the county staff on the administrative side. I really do want to thank the warden publicly as well. For just his character, his demeanor in welcoming this conversation. To the mutual benefit of both. By the way, it's not just about our side and. Then. If I could just say. This governance stuff is maybe not stuff that makes the headlines. And everyone does somersault. Silver, or, as the integrity commissioner

says, waxes people's surfboards or whatever. But. This is actually really important. And. I made this a goal of mine about ten years ago. When I became the mayor. To actually look to repair relationships, restore relationships. And it's taken a long time to get to this. I think the maturity of this council has also seen how. Those relationships are important. And. It's been baby steps, I guess I would say, over the last few terms. There was nobody on there then. I was allowed on there, but I wasn't allowed to. Vote. I wasn't allowed to move any motions. Then last term I was allowed to vote. I was allowed to bring motions forward, and then. Now look what we're doing here and. I've always said, very publicly, I've said this, but I just want to say. It one more time, is that. The citizens of Guelph write a 20 some odd million dollar check. Every single year, and we hand it over to the county. Because. They're the manager. And we need to be at the table,

I think, from an oversight and accountability position. We need to at least be at the table. As a partner, as a true and equal partner around the discussions, around the things that that big check. Gets handed to every year. And so I just really want to thank council, councilor Fusetil. For stepping into this role too, as the representative of the chair, vice chair, whatever happens there. This is a good thing for the community. And. The cao said. How many times do we have to talk about this is our lane. This isn't our. Lane, all that kind of stuff. My goodness. I know that all of you and my colleagues get the same kind of questions, but I am inundated with these issues all the time. And when it comes to especially the homelessness and housing and that file. How much more important is it for us to be at the table? This is part of. That relationship building and oversight. So thank you to council, thank you to staff and to the county. Hoping that your vote goes the same way and that we have

a new chapter. In this as we move forward. Okay. Thank you for that. And now I'm just looking for the bylaws. And the bylaws are numbered. 2000 and 2420-8602-0916-2092-2092-4 be approved subject to section two eight 4.1 114 of the municipal act, which colleague of mine wants to throw their hand up for that. That would be Councilor Gibson and O'Rourke. Seconding that. Anything on the bylaws? Hearing seeing none, called a vote. Anyone against the bylaws? That's unanimous as well. Thank you. No announcements. So now I'm looking for a hand to go up for adjournment. Who's going to help me with that? One. Not everyone rushed at the same time. Here, Councilor Clawson and Koran. Is good. A second, then. Is anyone against adjournment? Nobody. That's unanimous as well. Have a great night, everyone. Thank you so much.