Downtown Guelph renewal: streetscape, waste and washrooms

All right. Good evening, everyone. It's Tuesday, September 24, 2024. It is 530. And like to call the city Councillor meeting to order. We do have regrets from Councillor alt tonight. With that we have on the open agenda. An option. Closed for one item. And. It is a title called councillor consideration authority to commence legal claim. That is under section 2392, Enf of the municipal act regarding litigation or potential litigation. Including matters before administrative tribunals affecting the municipality or local board. An advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege. It couldn't communications necessary for that purpose. Before moving into clothes. Is there any disclosure of pecuniary interest or any general nature? Thereof. Won't see or hear anybody, so we're good there. Councilor Bustil, would you be willing to move to going to closed thank you, Councillor Chu. Would you be aligned a second? Yes. Thank you.

So, anything further on that? No. Okay, I'll call the vote. Is anyone against moving into closed? Nobody. Okay, so we will move into close now for that discussion. And when we are done, I will come back up, back out. You all will. And I will give high level overview before we continue. Thank you.

All right. Good evening, everyone. It is 06:00 so I'm going to call the open session meeting to order. Again, we did have formal regrets from Councillor Alt tonight. With that. I'm just going to give the quick summary. We did go into closed at 530 under the title councillor consideration authority to commence legal claim. We did receive information as counsel in regards to that issue, and we did give direction to staff. To that. So that's all there is in the update and the summary from the closed session. And so if you can, if you're able, please stand as we recognize our national anthem.

Great. Thanks, everyone. And just moving on to our moment of silent reflection, please.

Thank you. And our territorial acknowledgment. As we gather, let us take time. To reflect on our privilege to live in work, in wealth, a city built over rich indigenous histories. We're guests here. We should reflect upon the responsibility to care for the land, the people. Who live here today and the generations to come for actions today can move us towards reconciliation. We should take pause and make those decisions with intention and gratitude. This place we call Guelph has served as traditional lands and a place of refuge for. Many peoples over time, but more specifically the Anawana rock and the whole Nashoni this land. Is held as the treaty lands and territory with the Mississaugas of the credit first. Nation in Guelph lies directly adjacent to the Haldeman tract, and as part of the long established traditional hunting grounds for the six nations of the. Grand river. Many First Nations, Inuit and Mati people who have come from across Turtle island call Guelph. Home today. Thank you. Is there any disclosure of pecuniary interest, any general nature thereof, for the items that are now in front of us. I'm seeing adhering none, so we will move

on. We do have the consent agenda. I'll go through each and see if there's anyone that wants to pull anything. So the first is the downtown collection area update. Seeing none. The downtown Guelph Heritage Conservation District study. Seeing none. The 2024 second quarter budget monitoring report. Seeing none. And then the municipal scan of renovation bylaws. That's been moved to the 8th, as we know. Other than the other two that were to action. Okay. Not seeing those either, so. Seeing anybody either. So those can be moved. Okay, I see you. On the screen? Gibson and Billings and. Is there anything further on that? No. Okay, I'll. Call the vote on all those items. Is anyone against? And again, that's nobody. That's unanimous. Thank you so much. First up for our discussions, because we have a delegation, we only have one. Quarter. Marigutri. I think we skipped item five. Confirmationable per minutes. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Sorry. Good catch. I'll move that. Would you be willing to

move? That for me? Okay. Thank you, Councillor O'Rourke. Anybody willing to second that for me? Okay, Clawson. And so it's the open Councillor. Meeting minutes of July 9, 16th, 23rd, and August 22, and the 28, 2024 and the committee of the whole meeting on July 3, 2024, be confirmed as recorded and without being read. Anyone. Want to comment on that. Any changes? No. Okay, I'll call the vote. Is anyone against? Those minutes. Nobody. That's unanimous as well. Thank you, Councillor. Or Rourke. Okay, back to Morgan Dandy. Who is going to be our delegation on the first item that we have a delegation on, which is the indigenous relations framework. And so, for all of our delegations tonight, you have no more than five minutes. You'll. Hear a chime at the four minutes and 32nd mark and then stick around just in. Case there's any follow up questions, I'll turn the microphone over to you, Morgan. You've been here before. You know the Jogo right ahead. I stand here today as one whose ancestors have come here as settlers and who have been settled. When I

say that I've had ancestors that were settled here. I know that I wouldn't exist. If it weren't for the hodin as shone. The peoples that at the beginning of every Councillor meeting are mentioned. My ancestors were Irish. Rived on the shores of Turtle Island. As indentured servants. When their servitude was completed. They were released. With nothing. If it weren't for the Hod Nishoni in the area that it's. Now called Georgetown. I wouldn't be here because my ancestors. Would not have survived those winters. The longhouse people. Need to be a big part. Of what we talk about. In the dinadone. Because. This is as we say.

In the beginning of every meeting. They're traditional hunting grounds. I was blessed to have been raised. In part. By a Nahwalk woman who loved me so much that she named her daughter after me. I have teachings in my brain that I don't understand where they came from because. They were instilled in me when I was so young. I'm really glad that this indigenous framework is here. And I really hope. That each and every person. Now has the opportunity. To really delve into their personal biases. Because personal bias. Frames so much of how we think. When I first heard about the 215 unmarked graves and cam loops in 2021. My reaction. I didn't understand. Because.

It was. Thank God. Now maybe something can happen. I didn't know. Where that thought came from until I started delving into it after listening to a two spirit indigenous youth on the steps. Of the basilica. That person. Said on June. First. It's so great to see all of you people standing here in orange shirts. And if any of you are raising that flag of genocide in 30 days, you being here means nothing. That changed my worldview. I implore everyone as we move through this indigenous relations framework. To look at our personal biases. And learn. How it informs our worldview, because until we actually look at it, We don't know what it is. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any follow up questions for the

delegate? Seeing none, thank you very much. With that. Would someone be willing to move the indigenous relations framework for me? Councillor Galler and. Klosson will second. And is there anything further on that? No. Okay, I'll call the vote. Is there anyone against? Seeing none. That's unanimous. Thank you very much. The next one we do have a delegation is the downtown streetscapes, level of service and construction mitigation. Mike Darman from the Guelph Coalition for Active Transportation is here. In person. Mike, come on down. And you as well, Mike, have been here before. You know the drill. So I'll turn it over to you. And no more than five minutes to chime at four minutes and 30. Seconds. Go ahead. Thanks. Mayor Gret. I haven't used one of these before, so you. Can give me a couple of seconds just to. Try. Okay. Good evening, Councillor. Mayor Guthrie and city staff. My name is Mike Darmon, and I'm. Co chair of GCAT advocacy. We love the design of Wyndham street because it is a crucial part of

the overall vision we have. For a more equitable, comfortable, active transportation network connectivity into and out of downtown. In other words, a minimum grid of protected infrastructure. I echo Mayor Guthrie's comments at the committee of the whole that the staff presentation for downtown renewal is, quote, the best he has ever seen. And I fully agree. Their use of animation videos of Wyndham street immediately makes you think I want to visit a place like this. We are huge supporters of our downtown and love the wide sidewalks, trees, benches and public spaces which will transform our downtown into an even more desirable destination. Regarding shade trees. I really like what project manager. Russ Worm said at the cow meeting. No one can deny that a mature tree will have the biggest visual impact. We cyclists and walkers love the shade provided by the canopy. Public washrooms are crucial for a place to go, and the waste container plan will vastly improve the look and feel. Of the space and make it a place you truly want to linger in. Show off to your friends. And stay for a meal on a patio and warm sunny day. An investment in our downtown will reap many benefits, but we need all the elements of the complete vision to make

it work. Increased at Modal share is a main goal of the TMP protected bike lanes on Wyndham street is a big step, but investing in making a fully connected and protected minimum grid into and out of downtown is crucial to success. So we are working and advocating with city sustainable transportation and park staff on our vision of making downtown. An accessible and enjoyable destination. By at we are very pleased with the current flexible, complete street design which includes protected bike lanes. I'll remind city Councillor that we compromised on choosing the flexible. Street design over permanent, unmovable. Protected infrastructure because we love the patio program and supporting local businesses. The protected bike lanes on Wyndham will encourage more people to use bicycles, but we also need to make it pleasant and safe to connect. From many points in the downtown. For example, if one is coming into the downtown on a bike, from the north like me. The obvious choice is the TCT trail, which is part of our active transportation network. But it suddenly ends at hilly Aramasa road with no safe means to connect to downtown or the new Wyndham street protected bike lanes. I'm going to attempt. To. There's one solution.

Another, and I think. Here we go. Good. I hope you can kind of get that. I can't get it to play again over and over, but we are proposing making low. Slope Cardigan street from the Norwood street pedestrian bridge to a protected aramasa Wyndham intersection, bi directional for bikes with a multiuse trail on one side. The trail would curve around and behind the center taft to the intersection. Which continue the tray like experience into downtown. Quite unlike the current situation. High slope aramasa will never get high motor share shift. So we have some good active transportation infrastructure, and we have some great active transportation trails, but. They're disconnected networks. When you reach street crossings with one unsafe infrastructure, And unfortunately, this fact rings true every time we organize a GCAT ride into and out of our downtown and sadly, the ghost bike ride we are leading starting at City hall this Saturday for our former GCAT member who died recently from her injuries falling on collision while cycling on Victoria Road is no exception. If we are truly committed to making the downtown an attractive destination. And place to live. We need complete at grid

connectivity to and from it. So consider the wise investment in flexible street design trees, public washrooms and public amenity space. Only when it is all fully connected do you realize the vision and return on investment. Cycling master. Plan update will start in 2025, and I hope you will continue your support for downtown renewal. By also supporting the budget for the cycling master plan update, we hope many of the improvements for connectivity will be considered in the. Plan. In conclusion, I would like to quote general manager of engineering Terry Gaiman's comments from the cow meeting. We have a rare, once in a generational opportunity to examine and build the things we love about downtown Guelph, connecting all the dots and all of the opportunities. I couldn't agree more. And hope you keep this in mind when we have the opportunity to support active transportation connectivity. Dots into and out of downtown. Thanks. Mike. Appreciate you and your delegation. Looks like I have a follow up here from just Councillor guller. Thank you through worship to Mr. Darwin. Thank you for your presentation. I wanted to get a little bit of clarity. You spoke about three options

to connect. The Royal City Trail coming from? Riverside park into the downtown. Which of those options would be preferred from the perspective of GCAT? I think by far. If we could convert Cardigan street into bi directional, it's the lowest slope you'll find of any direction coming from the north into downtown. Aramasa is extreme. Just right near the end, just before you get. In fact, I've seen bicyclists. Bike up right near the top, and in one instance, they're chain snapped. It was so much effort they had to put onto it. So even putting protected bike lanes, say, from the lower slope at the bottom, right up to the top. Wouldn't really get too many people. Actually biking on that street. Another great connection, though, would be. At Arthur street, where it meets Aramasa, and we've actually suggested again to city. Staff that. They moved the pedestrian light further up the hill. If you move it to that location. It's actually part of the bike route, too, so it would actually lead into town downtown. Too, from several directions, but also lead over to the ward, actually. Where I travel all the time, actually, and anybody's trying to cross Aramas at that. Point knows it's a horrible

way to cross it. Including the existing trail. The existing trail? Goes behind the large apartments, and there's a very tight. Section just before you get to Aramasa, which is also. A very, it's actually kind of a dangerous spot for a lot of people, especially at nighttime, and then you reach aramas again, and it's very dangerous to cross there, but. You see people flying across all the time. So I think ideally to offer the lowest slope for pedestrians and cyclists, by the way, just into down pedestrians. It's a no brainer. But cyclists, of course. Need that ease of getting into downtown, and I see many cyclists illegally doing it already, and it would be the same as actually what's happening on what we have right now on Wilson. Street. Very similar situation. Thank you for that. And the proposal then for Cardigan street, are you? Suggesting that. We eliminate one of the lanes of parking on one side and make it active transportation or what? Is a request. It probably would need to be eliminated. I'm not sure. We'd have to get staff to look at that. It might involve removing some parking. Which be an issue for some people. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you

for your presentation. Thank you. Worship. Thank you. And Councillor O'Rourke, please. Thanks, Margustri. Through you. To Mr. Darman. First of all, condolences. On the loss of your gcat member. And just because I'm focused on the agenda item, which is the streetscapes downtown. You are just connecting the docs so that we are thinking about it. When the cycling master plan comes back. Correct. You're not asking us to make a decision. You're just priming the pump for those future conversations. Is that correct? Because we really. Do need to stay on the agenda. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm asking for. The next opportunity to just complete that vision and also get a good return on what you're. Investing on downtown. By investing in this early in the cycling master plan. Hopefully not delaying it any further. Okay. And three mega three to Mr. German. You have no reason. To believe. That staff wouldn't consult with GCAT. Right? Like in that next. It's quite likely that staff will consult with GCAT when we develop that cycling Master. You have a good partnership. So we expect that that is going to happen, correct? Yes. Okay. That's correct. Great. Okay, thanks.

Great. Thank you, Mike. Thank you very much. Thanks. Okay, may I have someone put the recommendation first, number one and number two on the floor for? Me, please. Galler. Koran will do the seconder for that. Thank you. So. I passed a motion that I thought would be interesting for us to at least have a little. Bit of a discussion on as we move forward. I won't speak to it unless someone wants to actually move it and second it for me for discussion. It has to do with looking to save a little bit of money on the sidewalk. Pavers issue and concrete. So I will just ask to see if anyone wants to move their second. That for me, if not. Then we'll move on. Okay, we'll move on. Thank you. Is anyone want to comment before we move on to number for either of those. No. Yes. Okay, Guller, and then I'll call the vote. Thank you. Through worship just a question for staff with regards to the delegation we receive from GCAT. If I could just have a confirmation. On understanding the importance of

the connectivity into the downtown as we build. The downturn active transportation infrastructure. Could you confirm that that staff will be exploring those connections as part of the transportation master plan update that's coming early next year. Through the chair to Councillor Galler. So, yes, connectivity. For cycling is always very important to us. That's always what we're trying. To achieve as we go through some of our designs in the downtown. So. We, as Councillor O'Rourke had mentioned that we have a really good relationship with GCAT. We valued their input, so of course they will be part of the stakeholder group that we will consult in order to be able to do when we start to go into detail design perfect. I really appreciate that. Could we expect a response once the staff information comes back to council? That reflects that these options have been considered as part of that work next year. Well, we probably wouldn't come back. To, Councillor. I think what I'd like to be able to tell you is that. We will take that away. And as we normally would, we would consult with

all stakeholders. But again, I think we're violently agreeing here that we all want the same thing. So we will come up with a solution. That works the best for everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you, worship. Great. Thank you. All right, we're ready to call the vote then. Is anyone against those two motions? For this. Councilor Keaton, did you have a comment? I had a question. Okay, go ahead. Okay, I will remove. Next time. Get that hand up for me. I will just revoke that call for the vote, and I'll go to. You go. Ahead. Thank you, sir. I had a question about the AAC feedback and how that. Would be incorporated during the design phase. I just had a concern about the potential of the pavers. I just heard in the past from the AC that they had preferred no pavers, so I just wanted to know how that would go. If the AAC. Is very against the type of pavers used, then what would happen in that case? Through the chair to Councillor

Katen. I'm actually a little bit surprised that they might. Be not in support of the papers. A lot of times when the pavers do allow us to demarc some different areas of the right away. That is desirable. From an aac point of view. We are actually going to go back to the AC when we start to do our detailed design. When that design is ready, we will go to the AEC and get some advice from them. In terms of what their concerns are and how we might be able to address them. So we would do that with any project Councillor Cayton and try to take everybody. I understand that we're not going to make everybody happy. We certainly do try. And we do take the advice of the AAC very seriously. So we are going back in December to review. What we have in terms of design with them. So we will take that away and try to incorporate that into our design. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay with that? For real easy this time. I'm going to call the votes. Anyone against? Those two motions for the downtown construction. And streetscape unanimous.

That's great. Is there anything else on that item at all? No. Okay, we're moving to the next delegation. And item I'm improving access to. Public washrooms in Guelph again. Morgan dandy will come up. And again, you know the drill, Morgan. So I'll turn the mic over to you and. You can begin when you're ready. Thank you. Just really quickly, I want to say thank you so much to everyone that has worked. On the motions for this. Myself and others. Have advocated for. Equitable access to washrooms and drinking water, especially in the downtown. As someone that spends time downtown. Especially after 07:00 p.m. I know how hard it is to not have money and have to go to the washroom. Or maybe want to have your water filled up. I've also spent time on the hottest days this summer downtown, distributing water to anyone and everyone, be it two legged or four legged. To ensure that

there is some access to water outside downtown, because currently. There's not much. Basically, there's the frog. And I don't know very many people that want to drink from the frog. So I am very appreciative of all of the work that has been put. Into these motions. I'm happy that Councillor sees the need for this to be incorporated into. The downtown renewal. And I look forward to being able to access a bathroom. Anytime. I'm in the downtown core. Thank you. Thank you. And is there any follow up questions at all? Seeing none. Thank you so much. All right. Would some willing to move all of those motions? All ten? Aurora can. I'll go to the screen. Koran. Sorry, Richardson. I'll go to you, Richardson, for adjournment. Okay. Just so you don't feel left out, so. Karan will second that. And is there anything more on that before I go call the vote? Okay. O'Rourke. Thanks, Mayor

Gustrio. I was just at the basic needs working group this week, so I have quick question around the timing, so. Some of these motions. Are for the downtown streetscapes when it's all rebuilt and beautiful and others are in the interim. Questions. So I'm looking at number three. Portable washrooms continue to be used to expand. Access to washrooms in public places until permanent facilities are provided. Number four is also continuing to look at use of washrooms in parks and other locations. And then number nine is access to water. So I'm just wondering. Through you, Marigo. Three of staff have an idea. On process and timeline for those. And if it's not now, can there be an undertaking just to get back to me so that I can report back. Through the chair to Councillor work. That is something on our mind. We have had some initial discussions. On that, but I think I'd like to get back to you, if that's. Okay. We can send an email to Marin Councillor just to confirm. Great. I'd appreciate that. Great. Thank you. Anything further on that. No Kalva vote on that. Is there anyone against all of the

improving access to public washrooms. Motions. No. Okay, that's also unanimous as well. Bylaws. We have a few of those popping up here. So it's bylaws 2002 420991. To 2002 420923 be approved subject to section two eight 4.1 114 the Municipal Act. But someone be willing to move those bylaws for me. Busatil. Karan. Third. Seconder of the night. Perfect. Keep it up. Okay. Is there. Anything on those bylaws? No. Okay, I'll call the vote. Anyone against the bylaws? No. Okay, that passes unanimously. Announcements and or comments. I have one from Councillor Clawson and then just one. Quick insight from myself, so go ahead. And from Katen as well. Okay, so you go. First Councillor Clawson. Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've got two announcements, both to

do with downtown renewal. So coming up on October 2, which is next Wednesday. We have our downtown renewal open house. It's taking place right here at city hall. So doors open at six and there is. A presentation with a Q and a happening at 630, which. Will be live streamed as well so people can tune in at home. And we'll be talking. About some of the phasing and mitigation strategies. So that's the first one. We hope you can all make it out to that one. And then October 17. There's the next construction cafe, and it's taking place at Cornerstone, and it's happening from 930 until 1130. And we suggest that downtown businesses attend these to talk with staff about what's happening downtown. And what those mitigation strategies are going to be for those businesses. So it's really important to come out and really get that face to face time. Thanks. Great. Thank you. And katen, please. Yes, I had a motion. That I sent out

earlier today. Okay. I had asked if there was anything more on that item, and. You did not jump in at that time frame for the downtown streetscape? I said right after. I called the voter, said, is there anything more on that item? My understanding, because it's not directly about the streetscape, that it wasn't on. That item. So it's just an added item. Because. It's toppable to the item because. It's about. The Ontario government and. Their bike lanes. So it's a separate motion related to that because you have. Yeah, and I acknowledge that. Fully acknowledge that. But I asked at that point if there's anything more on that item. And then there wasn't. So then we moved to the washrooms. So that item is now technically closed. So to bring it forward. Now what I have to do. Notice of motion. Well. Or you could find another spot for it. Or I could ask Councillor to suspend the procedural. Bylaw. I would need a vote of

three. Just give me a minute, everybody. Thanks. I would need a vote of three, majority of Councillor present to do that, and then we could. Go back and look to actually table that as a third item. It's up to you, probably, to do whichever one you feel. Is better in the situation. Well. All right. I will ask for a motion for. To suspend the procedural bylaw, I would imagine be the first step to the clerk, am I? Right? Yeah. Through you. Mr. Mayor, I think in this case you would want to suspend section five. Point eleven of the procedural bylaw related to notices of motion to allow a notice to be placed on an agenda without prior notice to the public or members of council. It is in reference, though, to what item 7.2 was, so I think there's a little bit of a caveat there to give her credit, right? Okay. So. I will ask. That. I'm asking counsel to allow this. Because Councillor

Katen did send it out earlier. And. There could be an onus here a little bit on me for not nudging at that moment other than asking, is there anything more? So I think it's only reasonable for me to be fair to her, to allow her. To at least bring that forward. To me. That's only fair, okay? So procedurally, I just got to do a couple of little hurdles here to get back to. 7.2 Councillor Katen to allow you to do that, okay? So just forgive me on that. But who would be willing to move the suspension in for me? Galler and Clawson. Will second. Okay. And so I'll call the vote on the suspension. Is there anyone against? Just one, so that passes. All right, so to the clerks. Can I just. Now go back to that moment of 7.2 and look to add a third. Of course, it's up to Councillor to vote for it. But can I just go back to that moment in time now? Through you, Mr. Mayor. I don't know that we're going back to that moment. In time, but I think a motion can be placed on the floor at this point in the agenda in reference to 7.2. Okay, Councillor Cayton. Sorry about that, about the hurdles. There,

but we did get through them pretty quick. So I know that your intention was to speak directly to 7.2, which is like the downtown street scapescapes. It was launching off of that. And it was in regards to sort of a third motion, sort of a standalone motion, in regards to that item, so I'm going to turn the mic over to you, but just make sure that you do have a seconder up front for this. Before you go on and on. Okay? So I'll turn the mic over to you. Go. Ahead. Thank you. And I apologize for the procedural snap boost there. If courts could put them motion on the screen, please. Through you, Mr. Merritt. Sorry, we'll just need an extra moment to get that pulled back. Up and ready. I can do my pre talk while you're doing that. So this is in regards to. The provincial government. 's reports that. They are going to be. Changing where we can put bike lanes. So years of software planning, best practices, and community engagement have gone into our transportation master plan. As well as our downtown infrastructure. And streetscaping a wide micromanaging approach to whereby

claims should be simply doesn't. Work. Not all municipalities have side roads that run the length of their main roads. Legislation that's imagined for grid cities like Toronto forced on an entire province are going to cost us time, money and ultimately lives, as you heard very recently. Susan. Bard, a local community gardener, volunteer and avid cyclist, was killed after being struck by a vehicle on Victoria Drive outside of a high school near Commercial center by Grange Road. On her 79th birthday Ford's legislation would make us unable to put bike lanes along Victoria Drive range road and all other main roads currently lacking cycling infrastructure, which. Could include Wyndham in downtown. And Councillor has agreed in the past that a safe act. Of transportation network meets the needs of our climate change plan vision zero and gives people the infrastructure they need to live in newly mandated, parking free developments imposed on us by bill 185. So. We need to tell the government that this idea doesn't work for Guelph and. Instead to invest in public transportation to help relieve traffic congestion. And so my motion would be that the mayor be directed to write a letter to the premier. Of Ontario, Minister of Municipal affairs and Housing, Minister of Transportation, AMO, OBCM and MPP Mike Shriner

on behalf of the city Gulf Councillor to oppose the media reported plan for ventral legislation to restrict municipal bike lane placement as. Counter to wealth vision zero goals, best practices in transportation management, climate change initiatives, cost management for future infrastructure Maintenance Bill 180 five's development goals and economic benefits to business. Further, that the mayor requests the provincial government instead invest in public funding, public transportation goals to reduce traffic congestion. And aid future developments to be built with less parking. And it's going to be seconded by Councillor Goler. Okay. Thank you so much. Is there anything further on this item from any members of council? Okay, well, there is from me. So the legislation. Is not even tabled yet. So we're basing a motion on media. I'm not really down for that. That's not how I'm going to move forward on deciding things, so I will. Decide things once legislation is actually tabled. So I will

not be supporting this. Any other comments at all? Thank you to your worship just to that point. There is some supporting this at this very early stage is that oftentimes when the province has asked for input from the municipalities. Two days later, they make it into law without even reading our comments. So maybe if we act. Proactively and get our comments in before coming, period. It may have more of an impact. Thank you, Katen and Koran. Through you, Mr. Mayor. Exactly what Councillor Galler said. We've noticed that there has been a pattern of pushing things through very quickly. And so, because this is now at the stage before it's being written, I think it's the time to do our commentary so that they understand the impact it would have and then potentially we won't have to go through the large process. So I'm trying. To get in early so that they can understand how this would impact groups outside. Of Toronto because. Sometimes. There's a Toronto centered view when they're creating legislation. Thank you in

Quran. I had similar comments. I think copying our Mpe. Copying AMO and other mutualities is key. B because if this input. Starts. To create momentum, they get a province. Early out. Might nip this. Great. Thank you. All right. Sorry. Councillor Donner. Well, nothing's come forward. Like the legislature. I mean, the premier is talking about it himself. He's saying it's coming forward. I'm just reading quotes from them here from him saying that this is what he wants. To do. So I don't see any problem with responding to his comments. That's what he wants to do. Okay. Thank you. All right. I'll call the vote. Is anyone against? Two. Richardson and Guthrie. Okay, that passes. Great. Sorry about the mess on how that got there, Katen. But good that you got it done. Okay. Is there anything

else before I move on? For real this time. You have six motions, Councillor. Coughing no, you don't. Okay. I had mentioned during the mayor's announcement that I just wanted to say something, and I meant to say this earlier, so if Councillor could just give me a tiny bit of grace. It's just in regards. Actually, it's an overall statement just in regards to correspondence. I just want to make sure that when we receive correspondence, correspondence is a flow through, right. It's directly from constituents, right through our clerk's office, and it lands on our desks. As the elected officials, the decision makers, and it's important. That that process of correspondence flowing from a constituent through the clerk's office, it has a high standard of transparency. Of not editing or omitting and things like that. And so I know that there was some friction in regards to one of the pieces of correspondence from an earlier item, and I just wanted to make sure that I addressed that. There are sometimes things we may not like. And in fact, there was many things I did not. Like or nor agree with in some of the correspondence, and that's the way it works. It can be lots of correspondence

or delegations or things like that that come forward where we may agree or not agree on certain things. But we have to be careful, I think. I say this to citizens as we write things in to be careful about what we are saying. Especially when we're addressing other people or other things like that as well. But again, the high standards of transparency and flow through to the decision makers as us, as the elected officials. That's an important piece of democracy, really, and transparency of having that come through. As unedited and unomitted of things as possible. And so I just want to. Make sure that that was addressed because I know it was a little bit of a concern moving from committ. Committee the whole to here. And thank you for allowing me just that moment for addressing that issue. With that, then I will ask for adjournment. And I think I promised Councillor Richardson. That I would go to her to move adjournment. Oh, boy. Yes. There we go. I'm going to go to my favorite seconder of the night. Councillor Koran to second German. Are you good with that? Okay, perfect. With that, I'll call the vote of owes anyone against adjournment.